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Poster: Aubrey - I am here Date: Dec 9, 2008 10:46am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Are these films PD and okay to upload?

I suspect that these films may be PD. But can anybody please confirm this before I upload them.
Just William's Luck (1947)
The Saint in New York (1938)
Starcrash (1978) Would this film have needed to have a renewal registration?
I'm no expert on this stuff, so if someboady can help that would be great.

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Poster: Ganbachi Date: Dec 10, 2008 8:50am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Are these films PD and okay to upload?

So what does it mean when they are on a list of titles? I've searched for items that appear on the archive and are considered by all to be PD and found them on lists of titles with 4000 other titles. I just ssumed someone was chancing their luck by claiming copyright on thousands of things they don't own.

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Poster: bunnyman Date: Dec 10, 2008 3:42pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Are these films PD and okay to upload?

Any Saint flicks would be GREATLY appreciated! I LUV Geo. Sanders (the cad!).

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Poster: Aubrey - I am here Date: Dec 12, 2008 10:12am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Are these films PD and okay to upload?

If anybody does find out that any of the other Saint films are PD and it's one I have. I will be sure to upload it.

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Poster: k-otic Date: Dec 10, 2008 9:53am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Are these films PD and okay to upload?

If trustworthy PD distributors sell them i think that the movie companie`s who still have them on their "inventory" list havn´t niced that they lost the copyright on those titles

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Dec 10, 2008 2:56pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Are these films PD and okay to upload?

Sometimes those inventory lists are mortgages or sale of physical stock as well as copyrights. Some movie companies have collections of other studios public domain works that they have collected over the years - usually through their theatrical distribution and exhibition wings. Its common practice to sweeten up a copyright mortgage with extra PD titles that you don't actually own. Saves risking important catalogue titles when mortgaging for the purpose of film financing.

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Poster: wingsprint Date: Dec 10, 2008 3:31pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Are these films PD and okay to upload?

now thats interesting stuff that all makes sense

they made me feel stupid
and i deleted the files because i figured i had not done enough searching but i went thru the k-otic steps and then the faqs pages in the IA links and found nothing on the film

do you think its ok to post


thanks for your help

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Dec 10, 2008 11:19pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Are these films PD and okay to upload?

"House of Rothschild" is fine to upload. This one is a public domain film.

I imagine that it appears on the above copyright transfer list because 20th C Fox have recently started exploiting their back catalogue, including public domain items, in various markets worldwide. This doesn't change the fact that the public domain items are public domain. It just means that there is an "official" version floating around somewhere.

"1984" is OK to upload also. British law provides a copyright period of 50 years for television broadcasts and recordings derived from them.

This broadcast is highly sought after as one of the highest rated British programmes of the 50s (upon its repeat at the request of The Queen and Prince Phillip.) Underlying rights (literary, dramatic, musical) in TV broadcasts from Britain are not infringed by making the broadcast available outside its copyright period. The only exception to this is if the broadcast originally infringed the underlying copyright. In other words, if the script or music were used in the original broadcast without permission. This is not the case with "1984" which was an authroised adaptation of George Orwell's novel.

If you upload "1984" again put a message into the Classic TV forum http://www.archive.org/details/classic_tv#forum for it to be moved into that archive. It will be very much appreciated there.

And thank you. These were two great contributions to the Archive. I hope these two items don't disappear forever.

This post was modified by Video-Cellar on 2008-12-11 07:19:33

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Poster: k-otic Date: Dec 9, 2008 4:16pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Are these films PD and okay to upload?

As for Just William's luck.

Type of Work: Recorded Document
Document Number: V8007P630
Date of Recordation: 1997-12-31
Entire Copyright Document: V8007P630 (Single page document)
Title: Just William’s luck.
Notes: Motion picture. Filed for all rights.
Notice of intent to enforce a copyright restored under the Uruguay Round Agreements Act.
Owner: Douris UK, Ltd. c/o The Douris Corporation; 6399 Wilshire Boulevard; Suite 918; Los Angeles, California 90048. PHONE: 213-658-8374. FAX: 213-658-8361.
Author: Diadem-Alliance.
Date of Publication: 1998-04-17

Names: Douris UK, Ltd.
Diadem-Alliance.

About Starcrash

Type of Work: Recorded Document
Document Number: V1668P359
Date of Recordation: 1978-07-10
Entire Copyright Document: V1668P359 (Single page document)
Date of Execution: 27Dec77
Title: Starcrash; motion picture & screenplay / By Louis Cozzi & Nat Wachsberger.
Notes: Mortgage & assignment of copyright & motion picture rights.
Party 1: Film Enterprises, Ltd.
Party 2: Walter E. Heller & Company.

Names: Film Enterprises, Ltd.
Walter E. Heller & Company.

... and the title The Saint in New York are listed on several "infentory" lists of United Artists Corporation.

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Poster: wingsprint Date: Dec 9, 2008 4:51pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: wow ...can you check mine...please...

i tried to get someone to review mine


http://www.archive.org/details/the_house_of_rothschild1934


http://www.archive.org/details/the_capitalist_conspiracy1969


the mortal storm 1940.. is another one id like to check if possible


thank you ...

where can we confirm better ...the copyright link seems weak on the older items on finding the copyright.....

and the british items dont show up at all....some..

what about british TV shows and movies from the 50s..???

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Poster: k-otic Date: Dec 10, 2008 12:53am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: wow ...can you check mine...please...

The mortal storm (1940) is part of a list of movies for Copyright assignment.

Title appears in Document: List of Titles"
Type of Work: Recorded Document
Document Number: V3492D203
Date of Recordation: 2003-04-28
Entire Copyright Document: V3492 D133-215 P1-891
Date of Execution: as of 31Mar03; 28Mar03
Title: The abominable snow rabbit & 30,007 other titles. (Part 071 of 083)
Notes: Copyright assignment.
Party 1: Time Warner Entertainment Company, LP.
Party 2: Warner Communications, Inc.
Links: List of Titles

Names: Time Warner Entertainment Company, LP.
Warner Communications, Inc.

The House of Rothschild (1934) is known as to be in the public domain and sold as such by many public domain distributors
Althrough Twentieth Century Fox still claims to have the copyright on it

Title appears in Document: List of Titles"
Type of Work: Recorded Document
Document Number: V3489D366
Date of Recordation: 2002-11-14
Entire Copyright Document: V3489 D364-369 P1-72
Date of Execution: effective as of 29Oct02
Title: 100 rifles & 2182 other titles; motion pictures. (Part 003 of 006)
Notes: Assignment, notice and acknowledgement of enforcement rights.
Party 1: Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation.
Party 2: TCF Hungary Film Rights Exploitation, LLC.
Links: List of Titles

Names: Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation.
TCF Hungary Film Rights Exploitation, LLC.

As for The Capitalist Conspiracy (1969)
G. Edward Griffin made alot of those movies and i think the nature and goal of those kind of movies are to get the message to the people
so it might be made to be in the puplic domain at least there are no works listed under his name in the Copyright Catalog

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Poster: wingsprint Date: Dec 10, 2008 10:56am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: wow i just read this THANKS

i want to help you if i can so i will post a list and could you please review them....i will then send them up


ill keep a running text file of it for final review.....

copyright assignment for mortal storm means....no way huhh


thanks you rock.....how do i get orwell off now.....

sorry i screwed up......


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Poster: Aubrey - I am here Date: Dec 10, 2008 7:32am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Are these films PD and okay to upload?

Thanks k-otic for all your help. I see where I was going wrong. As I was looking for Motion Picture to be listed at the top next to 'Type of Work'. I thought that in the case of Just William it was referring to the book of the same name.
You can certainly tell that I'm no expert!

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Poster: k-otic Date: Dec 9, 2008 12:46pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Are these films PD and okay to upload?

just curious ... why do you believe that those titles are in the public domain?

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Poster: Aubrey - I am here Date: Dec 9, 2008 3:22pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Are these films PD and okay to upload?

I'm not certain, I've seen them to be claimed to be PD in the past online by others but of course I don't 100% trust that. I just wondered if anybody knew for certain. On the Just William film. The copy I have seems to be a US released version of this British film. Looking at the Internet Archive their seems to be a few British films of that age up. I wondered if that some British films of that age are not totally protected by copyright? On Starcrash I wondered if it should have had it's copyright renewed or is that not the case. I couldn't find a record for it.
As I say, I'm no expert, just looking for things that I have in my collection that might be suitable to upload.